OF EARTH CHANGES TV
IAN XEL LUNGOLD, APRIL 23, 2003
MB = Mitch Battros, ECTV
IXL = Ian Xel Lungold
MB: Ian Lungold,
are you there?
MB: You’re coming
through loud and clear, and thank you for coming on the show.
IXL: Well, thank you. In fact, Madaline, my
partner and I, want to thank you again, for the opportunity to bring forward
MB: Well Ian, personally,
you’re doing more than just bringing
me information, I’m actually on the air right now consoling
with you. Uh, this last
few weeks have been very upsetting
to me, these last
few days even more so,
and you were the perfect person I could think
of that could help walk me through this as
I’m becoming very puzzled and off-center, and I need some
MB: Go ahead, Ian, please.
IXL: Let me, let me begin
by reading a statement by the Hopi Elders.
“There is a
river. There is
a river flowing very fast. It is
so swift that
there are those
be afraid. They will
try to hold on to the shore. They
they are being torn apart, and will
suffer greatly. Know that the river has
The Elders say, we must let go of the shore.
Push off, into the middle of the river. Keep
our eyes open and our heads
above the waters.
And I say, see
who is in there
with you, and celebrate. At this time
in history, we are to take nothing personally.”
MB: Oh my God.
of all, ourselves.”
MB: Oh my gosh.
IXL: “For the moment we do, our spiritual
growth comes to a halt.”
MB: Oh, geez.
IXL: “The time
of the Lone Wolf is over. Gather yourselves
together. Banish the word
‘struggle’ from your attitude
and vocabulary. All we do now must be done in
a sacred manner and in celebration. We are the
ones that we were
MB: Oh my God, Ian. I swear
folks, I swear we did not rehearse
this. Uh, Ian, that could
not be, that could not be more direct in my own personal dilemma, in addressing the absolute core of exactly what I’ve been suffering. Uh, I guess
I had a human reaction of the feeling of the loss
of control, and I was trying to grab the edge
of the river. Uh, it is very scary
to let go, Ian. Uh, what say you?
IXL: I agree that it’s
scary, but it’s
act. What is along the shore
of any river? Snags and logs and rocks and everything that you could possibly bash into. What’s out in the
middle? A strong force that you can work with, and actually avoid obstacles downstream. Kayakers
do it all the time for kicks,
is your life.
MB: Uh, Ian—oh, by the way
folks, uh, here’s
another announce--, we just broke a new
record, my God, I, I, I, uh Ian, thank you for participating in this.
Uh, mark it in your calendar, you are the guest
of the moment that has broken yet another ECTV,
uh record. We have more hits now and more
audience than we ever have. Thank you folks, for tuning in. I am just
as pleased to
be back and with you as you are to be
with me. And what a wonderful guest to have this with. Uh, Ian,
during my monologue, I mentioned that you and I have discussed
in detail the challenges we may have externally
in the way of Earth changes,
You and I have discussed
in detail the challenge we have, challenges
we probably, we will have, and do
have, internally, such as
that of conflict. But what, but could you address
this challenge that I wrote about yesterday
that, that there actually could be forces,
I you will,
I’ll use that term in a very generic manner
‘cause I don’t want to say
the GWB word….
Ian, could you tell us what you personally,
and what your studies
of the Mayan calendar say
about a possible
evil force coming at us?
IXL: Well actually, the whole
of the current cycle of the Mayan calendar
that we are in, the whole cycle of consciousness
that we are currently in, is one of duality, is
one of pointing out the differences between
one thing and another. And everything, and everything else. It is
it is all dedicated
to the difference. And what is the most
pronounced difference that we can see, is
light and dark. Good and evil,
IXL: And everything is
getting a tag, isn’t
like Judgment Day to all of you?
MB: Yeah, actually I hadn’t thought of it that
way, Ian, but what I’m seeing happening in such
plain sight. I mean, I, I, I
would never have thought it would have unfolded this
way. It’s happening in my country in
front of my eyes, and I would have
never have guessed
that I would have seen such
a harsh McCarthyism-type
judgment as I’m seeing
IXL: Of course,
this is an exercise
That is, the
of evil, or darkness,
or power, which is the consciousness
which has had the most
until now, and this new ethical consciousness,
which is moving in—those
two are right now in a wrestling match.
MB: Oh, boy…
IXL: …and that’s
what we’re witnessing.
MB: Ah, you know what, Ian, maybe this
is what is
going on with me, anyway, that, that maybe I knew that this
kind of wrestling match was
going to occur, but I, perhaps I thought I was
going to be the one on top—I never thought, I don’t know why, what a stupid
thing on my part, maybe just ego, that I would
be pinned down on the bottom, and feeling
IXL: The meek
shall inherit the Earth. Go ahead and be
ahead. It’s all those
people with power that are
causing all the problems
in the first place, isn’t
MB: Yes, it is.
IXL: Go ahead, and be powerless,
and be, just in your own space.
of what’s going on around you, because
that’s what they do. But you don’t have to
become--you can be in this world but not of
MB: Well said.
MB: Ah Ian, I had an interview last
week, I believe it was last
week, maybe it was the week
before, with Carlos Barrios.
I know you know of him, you may have even consulted
IXL: I did, as
a matter of fact.
MB: He is saying,
or was saying,
very much the same
thing as you are now, and I had a challenge
for him, and one of the things that he said
was that, that if we do not change our ways
by this August,
that we will “reap the wrath,”
if you will.
And they, both Carlos Barrios
and Adam Roblin (sp?)
were, in a positive note, thinking that we are
powerful enough to make the change, and yes I
do believe we are powerful enough to
make the change. But I must say,
I did comment that I don’t think we have a chance in Hell in making it by August,
anyway. Then he mentioned another time
of challenge was
2007, but let’s stay with this
thing that’s coming up in the next
few months, Ian, could you better
clarify this—I guess
relate it to the Mayan calendar—what energies
IXL: Okay. First
of all, understand
that the National Forest Service
has had a huge problem by controlling natural
burn. By stopping every little
forest fire, when one gets
going, it is out of control—and it totally
the forest, rather than just
burning the underbrush. And we’re coming up on
kind of situation, where events
here are going to be intense,
briefly, like a natural forest fire that just
clears the underbrush.
And all the people running around saying we shouldn’t
have a fire—there shouldn’t
be any—are perpetuating the problem.
IXL: Yep. So let
these people do their thing. Let’s
see your stuff,
a hose, let’s
MB: Well, that’s
pretty profound, Ian, I like that.
IXL: Genghis Khan, was the biggest
scourge on the face of the Earth. Genghis
Khan was big and bad. You know what Genghis
Khan brought with him? The Black Plague.
IXL: Anybody sound
familiar? I mean, does this
sound familiar to you guys?
sittin’ here, talkin’ about it.
IXL: It’s no
big deal to consciousness.
part of the process—let
them do their deal.
MB: So let me see—let
me make sure I understand
you, Ian, um, although I do believe you’re speaking
with clarity, but I do not want to misinterpret
anything. If—what I’m hearing is that: Mitch
and audience, take a breath; breathe in, breathe out; realize that what’s
unfolding now is all part of a bigger plan. It
could be no other way. Be centered. Stay focused, and keep
your eye on the ball, so to speak.
Uh, Ian, could you help clarify, further?
IXL: Big man. [Laughs]
You did a wonderful job, Mitch. Wonderful. Now, I want
to let people know that the cycles that we’re
going through are 360 days in length. Understand
that the last time
we went through this
was the Civil War, when consciousness
once every 20 years. Now we have only 360 days
to endure. Now it may look very drastic, it
may be quite a bit of change for people’s lives
in the short-term, what is
coming up. Now I want to talk about that.
MB: Okay, please.
IXL: But, uh, please
that it’s very short-term,
and according to the same
Mayan Calendar that predicts
the trouble, there are magnificent advances
once we get past
this. So there
is no doom or gloom here. What basically
is going to pass
away, is the consciousness
of power and domination. And all the people who
really cannot pry themselves
away from those systems, are scheduled
to go extinct the same
way that the Neanderthal and the dinosaur
MB: Wow. Once again—
all that’s happening. And look how far we’ve
come, since the dinosaur
and the Neanderthal.
IXL: So, there’s
a 16 billion year history of the Universe,
and it’s very, very evident, that more good
happens, in the Universe,
than bad. Or this would have broken all down
billions of years
ago. More goes right than bad. Keep that in
MB: Well said,
well said. Uh Ian, again relating to the Mayan
prophecy, Mayan Calendar, Mayan
we receive some help in some
way? Now I don’t mean necessarily
help in, you know, necessarily
help or that type of deal, but going back to the prophecy that an energy change
that is going to occur within us,
a shift of consciousness,
will that be
we will need to make it
through these very difficult times?
What do you see as
the glue that we can use as
to walk through these incredibly challenging
and fast moving, shifting,
IXL: Okay. Uh, first
of all, let me just explain
what is going on right now. Right now, we are
in the Third Day of the Galactic Cycle. And
the Third Day of each cycle previous, has
been a time where
there was an
appraisal of the situation
a new alignment of consciousness
that was established.
in the last Third
the Women’s Suffrage Movement, and the
Abolitionist Movement. That
was a definite sprouting,
or flowering of consciousness.
That there were
of people held in enslavement. And previous,
the Third Day previous
to that, during the National Cycle, was when
received the Ten Commandments,
the basis of
law, and what was right and what was
wrong. Today, people are waking
up to the truth of their actual situation.
Most people are wage
MB: Wage slaves.
have a mortgage payment, and things they must
IXL: And people are waking
to that—it’s not a comfortable situation.
IXL: And what comes
from that is an inspiration
for the word “freedom,” when you realize that
are there—then, you are chasing
freedom, and that’s what’s
going on amongst everyone right now.
MB: Heh. Ian, I
chuckle, I—again folks, Ian and I did not have
is totally spontaneous.
Ian, I was just
speaking with my business
partner, Sherry Todd, just,
maybe three hours ago, and, myself and her,
we’re both getting some
powerful laptops, computers.
we’re doing that is that both of us,
me in particular, will
be taking Earth Changes TV
on the road. I was just
telling her, three hours ago, that I am putting
the house up for sale,
or I’m going to rent it out, here in Albuquerque,
and I am going to be traveling, starting in
June. Now, with the, with the current technology that we have, I will
be able to do that, and bring the show to
wherever I am at. And I just want to confirm
with you Ian, with your psychic abilities,
whatever it is that you’re doing, but it’s
certainly working with me, that I was suffering
from feeling just the thing you said
about being stuck. Uh, folks,
I wonder if you have been feeling this kind of
lately, as well? Uh, Ian, could you elaborate,
IXL: Well, basically
what’s going on, is
the truth is
coming out everywhere, in every way. People are facing their own truths,
but there are truths
about the government, there’s
the military, there’s
and the Cong--, you know, Congress,
the truth is
just pouring out everywhere, everywhere.
truth about our home monetary system, and how fraudulent it is. Everything!
The truth is
everywhere, flooding everyone. And as more truth
comes out, there’s
more betrayal shown.
IXL: With more betrayal shown,
there is less
trust. Now, trust
is the only thing that supports
our economy, or any of our social systems.
Now, Friends, out there
who are listening,
do you trust the beliefs?
Do you trust your government and elected
officials? Do you trust
Do you trust the education system?
Do you trust the health care system?
Do you trust any of these
brings more and more of the truth
of the actual situation that we live in
forward, there will
be less and
of any of the systems
that mankind has built. And the only systems
that will be
are the natural ones. The ones with the most integrity.
Think of it this
way—here’s a Boeing 747 flying straight
down into the ocean, as fast
as it can go. It impacts
the ocean—which one gets hurt? The natural system or the man-made system?
right, of course.
IXL: Just the
actual thing we’re going through.
MB: Yes. Wow.
My gosh, such
Ian. All I—I have to take a moment folks here
just to, to kind of contemplate what
Ian is saying
and it’s so
rich, Ian, that these are the type of things
that, I don’t know, I know I will
I imagine that many of the audience
will be thinking about these
things for some
days to come.
IXL: I hope so.
But remember, that just on the other side
of this train wreck is
a wonderful situation. We already have free
energy being produced, and tested,
and set up for manufacture. Now do you suppose
that the oil cartel would ever, if it existed
at all, would it ever allow that to come forward?
So what must happen?
MB: Well, they’re going to be either ousted
with natural sources,
or it’s going to be human sources,
I suppose, in the way
of overthrown, power shifts,
uh. Which way do you think it will
IXL: Well, what happened to Rome?
MB: Oh, boy,
IXL: Rome was
the most powerful empire on the face of the
Earth. What happened to them? Consciousness
changed, that’s what happened. Consciousness
changed. People didn’t believe that the Caesar
was a god anymore.
MB: Oh boy,
MB: Oh, my gosh….
You know, Ian, once again, this was
the day before yesterday, actually, I was
in San Antonio, Texas,
just a few days
ago. Um, I’ve never felt so vulnerable
in the United States,
in my life. And I was asking
many of, many of my elders about what’s
going on now with the events that are
unfolding, and the actions and the intrusions
and the invasions
that we’re doing that, that the infrastructure
of the United States,
just as you
just said, is
no longer supportive of these
ways. And then what happens—is
it like an Achilles Heel? Ian?
IXL: Well, it is.
It is for people who
ascribe to the structures,
the power structures
that are running our country or our world right now. They
have a very short fuse.
is overrunning these
folks, and there
is nothing they can do about it. It’s
like rats in a warehouse—keep
on turning more and more lights and there’s
less and less
places for them to hide, and that’s
what you’re seeing is
of these guys
scurrying around and trying to gather up as
much or consolidate as
much power as possible.
Now, we’ve talked many times
on the radio before, or your program before, about the power consciousness.
The planetary cycle that started
in 1755, and has always
been about amassing
more and more power and consolidating more and
more power. Understand
that that consciousness
running, it’s still
doing its job of consolidating
power, and we’re witnessing
stronger and stronger
of a consolidation. But what is
also happening, and this
is to the completely, to the, well the people
in power are completely ignorant or unconscious
of, a new kind of consciousness
that is moving in over them. Ethics.
A higher vision. A deeper view. A more pervasive,
level playing field for everyone. That kind of
is moving in, and these
guys don’t have the tools
to do anything about it, except fear and
dominate. And, you know, for anyone to go into fear, they have to first
agree to be afraid. Watch a scary movie three times,
and you won’t be jumping, because you don’t
agree it’s scary
MB: Wow. There
you go again—giving me more to think about. [Laughs]
IXL: If we see
the pattern, then we have certainty, and we’re
more centered, and we can have our peace of mind. So, like in a horror movie,
you watch it enough times,
you get used to the patterns.
a whole pattern of creation, of these
ups and downs
and impacts and there’s
a bigger, bigger understanding
behind all of this. I know, Bush
is a puppet, pulled by the strings
to make these plays
and accelerate the whole process
so that it gets
over in 360 days. I’m glad that it’s
him doing that job.
IXL: I don’t want it.
Uh, well said, Ian, again, quite a bit to
contemplate. It’s certainly helping me look at
in a different way, a different angle, a different light. Somehow it gives
me comfort, I don’t know why.
uh, maybe because
it rings true. Or maybe it’s
because it’s speaking
to your intuition.
IXL: But I wanted,
I wanted to bring that up. Because
the path through all of these troubles,
trials and tribulations
is your own intuition.
IXL: Each person’s
own inner knowing. You can’t rely on news to
tell you what’s up.
MB: You know Ian, that’s
one of the things that really took me back
over all this last
fiasco over the last
is that, I don’t know, once again, I thought
that there would be so
many more people genuinely aware of what’s going
on, and, and, and it least in my small
world, I was definitely in the minority. It was
about a 70/30 split, and I was
unfortunately in the 30%, and I was just
70%, of at least my world, and perhaps
that of the United States,
could not see what
I was seeing.
I was just,
just blown away by this.
IXL: Well, there’s
one of two things, one of two different things
going on that I see. One, is
that a lot of people are just chicken.
MB: [Laughs] That’s
IXL: And the other, is
that there are some
here in the hinterland. The fox
is very wise,
you see. The
only what he needs. Okay?
IXL: And then he splits.
Uh, the fox, he has
one entrance, and he has 15 exits.
the hounds are very stupid,
they are very sick, and they’re quick to fight
one another. You know?
IXL: They also,
once they chase the fox
down his hole, they will
sit there and
dig at that hole, and bay, into the moon, until the Master
calls them back. Meanwhile, the fox
is gone out of one of his
15 other exits.
There are people who
are not showing their heads.
MB: Yes. Boy,
are people who are just
taking what they need, keeping aware, and are just
rolling with the punches.
MB: I agree with
you, uh, Ian, matter of fact, in my monologue,
just before I brought you on, I was
mentioning that what the hell has happened to
what has happened to our Senators,
those we are so
familiar with who, who are, at least, what I
thought were very independent, and certainly spoke
their truth, what the hell happened to them?
What Master, as
you say, with the analogy of the hound, what
Master is so
threatening, that all these
people are quiet?
IXL: Well, the first
You see, the real war is
integrity—personal integrity. And these
folks have bought and sold
that the whole idea of standing
up for a principle, rather than a pork barrel,
MB: Or political gain
IXL: yeah, it would be unconscionable,
they wouldn’t be able to contemplate it. Um, this
is all part of the power consciousness
concentrating. You underst—I mean, it’s
not just our country.
IXL: All of Earth is
being more and more concentrated into singleness
of mind and to one power system.
The WHO, the WTO,
the UN, I mean, there are so
many unifying, or uniform consciousness-measures
out there. It should,
it should be no surprise,
because the whole
of the power consciousness,
which is raging
full steam right now, is
all dedicated at bringing
about a single planetary consciousness.
Now we’re going to need that single
in order to do Galactic Business.
true, very true.
you imagine Walmart—each
department in Walmart doing its
No. The photo department’s
not got its own business,
and the sporting department got its
and it’s going to be chaos.
We can’t be dealing with other solar systems
with our planet divided. So overall, it’s
a great deal, it’s just
that we’ve got some real power-mongers
up there doing the heavy work of getting
everything slammed into shape,
comes along and picks
up the ball with ethics as
its driving principle. Now we can have a true
world government, ethically applied, level playing fields,
everywhere, and we’re open to Galactic business—that’s
Once again, another portrait painted—thank
you, Ian. Uh, let me ask you a specific
for clarity, Ian, and the audience wants
to know as well. The
360 days you’ve mentioned—could you tell us
when that began, and when you believe that to end.
Well, actually, the Third Day began on
December 15th of 2002, and it ends
on December 9th, 2003.
MB: Uh, yes,
to be more specific, he did say
that it was going to be a time
period between August and December. He did specify
August and December. In your studies,
Ian, why does it appear to be broadened over
August, September, October, --, over 4 months—is
it a subtle kind of a graduation, a stepping
up of energy over these months?
actually, the High Noon of the Third Day--.
Now remember, the Third Day is
about the truth of our actual situation
coming forward. The High Noon is
when the most truth
would shine. It would be like “Zoom“—when
everything is illuminated.
And during this period of time,
that that –[lost signal].
MB: I’m sorry,
could you repeat that last bit, I had a little--.
12 of 2003. High Noon of the Third Day.
the High Noon, and that is when, basically
be two different camps of consciousness,
not just in this
country, but everywhere, between the Power Elite and all of those
who aspire to be their
lackeys, and those
other people who feel that something
should be done, or, that there
is another way. And these
be very well-delineated, about June 12th
or so, as the
very very well documented
of our actual situation.
MB: Ian, using
your own personal intuition,
the Mayan calendar and all the research
that you’ve done,
to past occurrences
at what time, yes.
Do you forsee, like this article that
I received today about a possible
nuclear interaction with North Korea, tomorrow,
for Christ sakes,
let me widen it. Do you forsee a nuclear exchange
or heightened Earth changes
occurring, between now and December.
been doing some other research.
Now, most people who
are familiar with the Mayan calendar have
heard about the Tzolkin calendar, that’s
the 260 day astrological calendar of the Maya,
and that is one part of the Mayan
The other part of their sacred
is called the Tun calendar,
which is a 360 day calendar. And the research
that I’m uncovering now, about past occurrences,
and the turning of this 360 day calendar,
point at some very interesting
I’m not, I haven’t finished the results,
but I have some preliminary findings.
Now, this 360 cycle, it changes
from, from like 12 o’clock noon to 3 o’clock every 90 days—excuse
me, every 45 days, and it goes
from 12 to 6 every 90 days, and there
seems to be a
pattern here of our interaction, of America’s
interaction with Afghanistan,
and the UN and Iraq, and now, we have April 28th coming up which
would be 9 o’clock on this clock thing, and we
have the Korean situation broiling.
these points shown
by the Mayan calendar, have, within a day or
two of these points,
major events have happened. So, we’re on a
very strong track of being able to predict,
within, even 15 days, what kinds
of shifts or
change in consciousness,
about some sorts
of event. You can look back into the past..in fact,
what we’re doing right now correlates very very closely, to Hitler
and his acquisitions
of the Rhineland and of Austria—we took
and then we took Iraq. I mean, it’s--
were looking at Syria, then Iran, then Korea, where’s
after Austria, it was
Poland, and the war was
what was happening.
world was on to the game?
war was on.
MB: Oh, the
war was on. Okay.
after—when he declared war on Poland—
shortly, very shortly—the
next day, Britain and France, the
war was on. And, we’re
following that exact track, except
that we’re doing it much, much faster than
happened previously in history.
that certainly is consistent
with the Mayan calendar.
certainly is. Yes,
it is. That’s
what I’ve been researching just
recently, and I’m going to continue this research.
And we’ll bring this forward at our website,
which, by the way, remind people—
And there’s a
there where we’re--that
is very active, and there’s
also the articles
section and then there’s
beautiful pictures of the Mayan
ruins that—go in and take a virtual tour.
folks, I encourage you to do that. Let me repeat that—the website
is www.mayanmajix.com. And you will, you
will, you will get a wealth of information. And I, I received the Mayan
calendar conversion code, and I requested the one that folds up, kind of like a
menu, it’s laminated, and it really kind of helps explain some things. You may
be interested in that, folks.
as a matter
of fact, could we talk about that just for a
lots of people, everywhere, ask
me over and over and over again, what can I do to prepare for this?
What can be done?
I’m going to give everybody the answer that I
give all the time. The
There is a basic
law in the Universe, that what you pay attention
to you become conscious
of. And it just goes
from the bottom to the top—any time
you pay attention to something,
you become more conscious
of that thing. So. The Mayan
calendar, as it’s
now proven out, has been the meter of the flow
of creation. So if you are paying attention,
day by day, to the unfolding of creation, then what are you conscious
of? You’re conscious
of that flow. And that flow is the source
of your intuition. It has always
been so. Every time
you’ve tapped into the flow of creation, you have been in your intuition. And
you felt the difference. That’s
what we’re talking about. But it’s a tried and
true and proven and proven and [?] method that works
for absolutely everyone. By paying attention
to what the energy of the day is, what the attention
[?] is today, you ignite your intuition. And
your intuition is going to be your
life preserver through all
of these shifts
and changes. So that little
piece of paper that is folded up has
all the Mayan information about the number of
the day and the aspects
of creation of that day, is really important.
And I beseech people to give it a try. It costs
$15, you know. [Laughs]
folks, I would agree. Ian, we are once again
out of time. That’s
a good place to end it. I want to thank you once again, not only for being on
the show and helping to explain
at least through the eyes
of a Mayan scholar,
and that of Mayan philosophy,
Mayan prophecy, and the Mayan
calendar. And I want to thank you personally,
for helping me get back on track. I guess
what happened is that I lost
sight of the bigger picture and I, instead
of expanding, I was
contracting, and holding on just a little
too tight. So thank you for loosening
me up tonight.
You’re so welcome, and thank you, everyone out
there, who is
thank you. We’re all in this together. And we
you Ian. Take care.